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Finance Committee — 2026-04-20

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0:36Approval of the minutes of the March 23, 2026 Finance Committee meeting.
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  • 0:45 “Without objection, they are approved.”
1:10ORDINANCE 22-2026 - AN ORDINANCE to take effect immediately provided it receives the affirmative vote of at least two thirds of the members of Council, or otherwise to take effect and be in force at the earliest period allowed by law, authorizing the trans
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  • 1:10 “So first one is ordinance number 22, 2026, which is, I believe, the second quarter”
1:20ORDINANCE 23-2026 - AN ORDINANCE to take effect immediately provided it receives the affirmative vote of at least two thirds of the members of Council, or otherwise to take effect and be in force at the earliest period allowed by law, authorizing the trans
Motion type(s) spoken: — · no passage phrase heard by ASR · ASR heard nay/opposed/abstain wording — verify
  • 2:34 “second and third are just one-fourth of the budgeted transfers.”
  • 2:40 “Historically, they have presented just the second quarter and then come back”
  • 3:07 “The second.”
  • 4:54 “Yeah, so basically, typically, there's a second quarter transfers”
  • 5:11 “Second and third quarter are typically just a quarter of the”
  • 5:27 “one says third quarter and one says second quarter, and the”
  • 12:16 “by doing that with the second one,”
  • 15:31 “Second.”
15:52RESOLUTION 2026-22 - A RESOLUTION to take effect immediately provided it receives the affirmative vote of at least two thirds of the members of Council or otherwise, to take effect and be in force after the earliest period allowed by law requesting the Cuy
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    15:56RESOLUTION 2026-23 - A RESOLUTION to take effect immediately provided it receives the affirmative vote of at least two thirds of the members of Council, or otherwise to take effect and be in force after the earliest period allowed by law, accepting the amo
    Motion type(s) spoken: — · no passage phrase heard by ASR
      15:57RESOLUTION 2026-21 - A RESOLUTION to take effect immediately provided it received the affirmative vote of at least two thirds of the members of Council, or otherwise to take effect and be in force after the earliest period allowed by law approving the Tax
      Motion type(s) spoken: — · no passage phrase heard by ASR · ASR heard nay/opposed/abstain wording — verify
      • 35:24 “The second year is kind of the mid of this three-year cycle”
      • 39:52 “And if you could just go to the second page, please.”
      • 46:32 “Motions are made and second.”
      • 46:47 “Second.”
      • 46:48 “Motion made and second.”
      • 47:04 “Motion made and second.”
      • 27:35 “as opposed to 15.14.”
      • 46:36 “All those in favor say aye.”

      Full ASR transcript

      0:00 I'll go ahead and call the April 20th, 2026 Finance Committee meeting to order at 631.
      0:12 Councilman Bullock isn't here, but he's on the committee.
      0:14 I'm sure he's walking in right now.
      0:15 So there he is.
      0:16 We have a full committee, which is good, and I'll give him a moment to come out
      0:22 to the dais.
      0:23 It feels like a long time.
      0:24 I was on spring break and then we didn't have council last week, so I think this
      0:28 is the latest in a month I've ever stepped on the dais for city council, so it's the 20th.
      0:33 It's interesting.
      0:34 But we're back to work.
      0:36 Okay.
      0:37 First order of business is to review and approve the March 23rd, 2026 Finance Committee
      0:43 meeting minutes.
      0:45 Without objection, they are approved.
      0:47 Great.
      0:48 And then we have a couple ordinances on our docket this evening that we'd like
      0:52 to talk through.
      0:55 The first two, I think we can kind of take them in order, and it's a little out of the
      1:00 typical course, so interesting discussion with the finance director on the record
      1:04 about the reason for that, but there are our typical transfer and advances ordinance.
      1:10 So first one is ordinance number 22, 2026, which is, I believe, the second quarter
      1:18 transfer and advances ordinance, and then ordinance 23, 2026, which is the third quarter
      1:26 transfer and advance ordinance, which, if I remember correctly, typically comes later
      1:29 in the year.
      1:31 So first things first, just going over these, I think they're the same as they
      1:36 always are every year, and then the real meat is in the fourth quarter transfer
      1:39 and advances ordinance when kind of the numbers are really trued up for the end
      1:46 of the year, and then we kind of subtle the books, but Director Mahoney, can you
      1:49 speak as to why you put them both on the docket at the same time?
      1:54 Basically just to be more efficient.
      1:55 So the first quarter ordinance always is a little different because we'll do
      2:01 advance repayments to whatever funds that we might have needed to advance
      2:06 money to at the end of the prior year, and like you said, the fourth
      2:10 quarter is different because of that same reason.
      2:15 We're not quite sure at the end of the year if any funds need a little help
      2:18 going into the end of the year, or if there's the ability to perhaps move
      2:26 some money, if the coffers have a little extra to reserve some, but the
      2:34 second and third are just one-fourth of the budgeted transfers.
      2:40 Historically, they have presented just the second quarter and then come back
      2:45 a couple months later to do the third quarter, and since they're identical
      2:48 and it's kind of just something we just always do, I thought it might just
      2:54 be a little more efficient to do two and three together.
      2:59 So the question I have, does this affect cash flow, or is this just a
      3:04 you have approval so those transfers happen?
      3:07 The second.
      3:08 Yeah, so we will just hold the third quarter until the third quarter
      3:13 happens and then do the transfer in the third quarter.
      3:17 Okay.
      3:20 Any comments or questions from committee members?
      3:25 Councilperson Struvig?
      3:26 Thank you.
      3:26 Could you just give a little more detail on the transfer out and the
      3:29 transfer ends, where this is coming from, and I'm looking at the
      3:34 special revenue funds and where that money is coming from for
      3:37 Winterhurst and the Office on Aging.
      3:39 Is that the county there or just a little more detail on that?
      3:44 Thank you.
      3:45 So especially those two funds, they can't survive without help from
      3:51 the general fund.
      3:52 So you'll see $325,000 transfer out of the general fund, and that's
      3:59 to support fund 250, the aging for $225,000, and then Winterhurst for
      4:05 $100,000.
      4:07 So those funds don't bring in enough money on their own to support
      4:12 themselves, so general fund needs to help them out.
      4:17 Thank you.
      4:22 And I'm just procedurally thinking through, as a committee, kind of what
      4:30 that means.
      4:30 I mean, do we keep the third quarter one in here and then pop it off
      4:34 later, or do we approve it now?
      4:35 I mean, Director Vargo, does it matter from the law department's
      4:39 standpoint?
      4:45 Sorry to catch you off guard.
      4:46 No, I'm going to make a terrible admission, Mr. Chair.
      4:49 I wasn't paying attention to that issue.
      4:51 I apologize.
      4:52 You want to?
      4:54 Yeah, so basically, typically, there's a second quarter transfers
      5:00 and advances ordinance that, as Director Mahoney explained, the
      5:04 first quarter is a lot of refilling the buckets from the end of the
      5:08 year from, for example, federal funds that are always late.
      5:11 Second and third quarter are typically just a quarter of the
      5:13 budget where we transfer.
      5:15 The fourth quarter is then where the real work is in these ordinances.
      5:19 Director Mahoney, I think you saved yourself some drafting by putting
      5:23 them into the same time, because they're basically identical except
      5:27 one says third quarter and one says second quarter, and the
      5:30 ordinance numbers are different.
      5:31 So I'm just trying to understand if there's, like, a legal reason
      5:35 why we may want to hold the third quarter on committee and then
      5:39 pass it out, but just because it's something we haven't done before.
      5:44 I can't think of a reason, Mr. Chair.
      5:49 I certainly defer to the judgment of the finance director on the
      5:53 efficiency of it, and I don't perceive any legal issue with it.
      5:57 Okay.
      5:59 And, Chairman, I was just thinking if we didn't have anything
      6:03 else for the third quarter, just to need to have a finance
      6:07 committee just for a transfer ordinance, save everyone a little time.
      6:13 I guess it begs the question, if we just had one and it transferred
      6:20 double these amounts, would that not do that?
      6:24 We could authorize that.
      6:26 Maybe, I mean, I can either change ordinances for this year
      6:29 or consider that for next year.
      6:31 I did think about that, but I didn't want to put too much
      6:34 change at once, and I know Council's used to four separate
      6:38 ordinances, so.
      6:39 Mr. Chair.
      6:41 So thank you for the discussion and for the eye towards
      6:44 innovation, Director Mahoney, or improvement of our regular process.
      6:48 You know, the obvious point would be that that's a quarterly
      6:53 opportunity to track and follow and oversee how expenditures
      6:59 are actually going.
      7:00 So what we're talking about is following the budget,
      7:04 the budget's forecast.
      7:07 One thing we don't do, or we haven't done routinely anyway,
      7:10 is to go through the actuals.
      7:12 I know that the department does provide written summaries,
      7:17 I think, on a monthly basis of year-to-date spending.
      7:21 There's some good information there.
      7:23 You know, one option would be, at whatever appropriate time,
      7:28 we evaluate or we just review together in committee for the
      7:33 public record how the actuals are going at the given date of
      7:38 that potential finance committee hearing.
      7:42 Because there's information that's useful there.
      7:45 Sometimes it's just a timing matter, for example,
      7:48 if a road pavement project is happening a month ahead of time
      7:53 or a month later due to scheduling of a contract.
      7:59 But there's other, you know, maybe more impactful news
      8:05 like have we filled all of our positions earlier or later?
      8:11 You know, and that has an impact on salaries
      8:14 and benefits expenditures.
      8:16 So, you know, I guess my thought would be rather
      8:20 than pre-approve the transfers and then not talk again
      8:26 until we're looking at the fourth quarter,
      8:30 which would go into the year-end appropriations update
      8:34 and often those year-end appropriations updates move
      8:38 around money in quite significant amounts
      8:44 that we use the mid-year, you know, we could do it late June
      8:50 or early July and say, okay, how are the expenditures
      8:56 and revenue collections to date looking compared
      9:01 to what our budget has said
      9:03 and then consider a third quarter transfer?
      9:05 I'm sorry for being long-winded.
      9:10 No, I think your point is well taken and I think,
      9:12 I think what you're getting at is
      9:16 that the fourth quarter one is the most meaningful one
      9:18 and we often see it and then we're in the middle of budget.
      9:21 But it's probably forecasted or understood at least
      9:25 with reasonable certainty before it hits the docket
      9:28 in December or November.
      9:30 So, you're raising up a bigger point which I think I'm ready
      9:33 to vote these out of committee, one person,
      9:35 and get this moving.
      9:38 But what I think might be nice
      9:40 from the finance department is if there's a communication.
      9:43 Now, when do you start to see through the forest
      9:48 as to what those fourth quarter amounts are going to be?
      9:52 Is this a June issue?
      9:53 July, August, September, October?
      9:56 November probably or December even,
      9:59 because we don't know, like you had said,
      10:01 the federal funds, we're never quite sure
      10:03 maybe they'll come in in December or maybe they won't.
      10:06 So, it's a pretty late in the year judgment
      10:09 as to how much those advances or transfers need to be.
      10:13 Because I think what Councilman Bulk is talking about
      10:16 and this is where I owe the council president
      10:19 some discussion about the budget.
      10:20 I know you guys, we're in April,
      10:25 for Christ's sake, we're probably already talking budget,
      10:27 which I think is accurate, right?
      10:28 You guys are probably gonna start meeting June, July
      10:31 with department heads.
      10:32 With the new finance system, more like July, August.
      10:37 Okay, because I guess what I'm telegraphing
      10:42 is that you may see a communication
      10:45 that I work with you on,
      10:47 because I think revenues are gonna be
      10:48 an important part of that, right?
      10:51 And where our spend is, as Councilman Bulk said,
      10:54 positions management is a way to save money,
      10:56 whether that's good or bad.
      10:58 And then also, where money comes in.
      11:01 We do get those, I think it's now not every month,
      11:05 but every quarter we get an email
      11:08 from the finance department that,
      11:11 from Assistant Director Eddy,
      11:12 that lays out kind of where we're at.
      11:15 When we get one of those,
      11:16 I think it might make sense to
      11:18 then trigger communication to the docket
      11:20 to then talk about that in committee,
      11:23 so that we understand what it's looking like.
      11:26 I remember we were going through the budget last year,
      11:28 and this is just, it was a good thing.
      11:32 I think it was like eight or nine million dollars
      11:33 went back into the general fund from the budget,
      11:35 which kudos the administration for managing the funds.
      11:40 Yeah, and we kind of made some calls
      11:41 about whether it goes into debt service
      11:43 or goes back into general fund.
      11:43 So those are all good things.
      11:45 I just think the visibility on council
      11:48 kind of before we see the budget book
      11:50 as opposed to after, I think would be good.
      11:55 So does that sound good to everyone
      11:59 as far as the process?
      12:01 Chair.
      12:03 I'm a fan of efficiencies,
      12:05 and I appreciate that you saw two duplicates here
      12:08 that seems logical to me
      12:10 to just knock them out while we can.
      12:12 I also think I hear my colleagues saying that
      12:16 by doing that with the second one,
      12:18 by going ahead and doing that now
      12:20 is that we don't see that,
      12:21 and it doesn't trigger a conversation later.
      12:24 So I am in agreement with that.
      12:26 I think that, well again, Director Mahoney,
      12:29 I appreciate that they're both the same.
      12:32 I think that having one at a later time
      12:36 allows us to then dive into
      12:38 what the matters are at the moment.
      12:41 Thank you.
      12:42 Yeah, I think what we can do,
      12:43 and this is where,
      12:44 so Director Mahoney,
      12:47 you guys prepare quarterly reports to us
      12:49 on revenue and expenses, percentage of budgets.
      12:53 I think the half-year report table
      12:56 that comes out in July.
      12:58 Actually, it's every month,
      13:00 except January and February
      13:02 because it's so early in the year.
      13:04 Those reports really aren't,
      13:07 the budgets are, obviously,
      13:09 if you go over budget in January or February,
      13:10 you're in real trouble.
      13:12 So Director Eddy starts those in March,
      13:16 and then it's every month.
      13:17 Okay, but then she does,
      13:18 there's like a,
      13:20 there used to be an analysis every month,
      13:22 but now it's an analysis quarterly.
      13:24 Something went from monthly to quarterly recently.
      13:28 I remember emailing with Assistant Director Eddy
      13:29 about it.
      13:30 Okay, I'm only aware of the monthly,
      13:33 I only look at the monthly reports.
      13:34 Okay, so I think
      13:37 what I propose to do
      13:39 in consultation with the clerk's office as well
      13:42 is after August recess,
      13:45 the first meeting in September,
      13:47 to have a communication to the docket
      13:49 that takes in our finances through August,
      13:54 and then we refer it to committee
      13:55 to talk about where we're at in the budget year,
      13:58 what revenues look like for next year,
      14:00 what collections look like for this year,
      14:02 and then that will kind of,
      14:05 because usually the budget hits,
      14:06 I think, in November.
      14:09 So we kind of get a precursor to that.
      14:11 Now, that's gonna be,
      14:13 I think we should start thinking about our priorities
      14:15 and coordinating with the administration in May and June,
      14:20 but you don't know how big the pie is
      14:23 unless you know what the revenue is,
      14:24 and so that's gonna determine a lot of things.
      14:26 So would that be something
      14:27 that the finance department would be willing to do
      14:29 if we referred it in September?
      14:32 Okay.
      14:34 Council President Campbell.
      14:35 Thank you.
      14:37 In the context of the greater conversation,
      14:39 you guys will be,
      14:40 some of you should be getting an email from me shortly
      14:42 about with scheduling dates for council budget retreat,
      14:46 looking more in the May and June timeframe,
      14:49 as we talked with Director Mahoney
      14:50 about talking with the finance department sooner
      14:53 about council budget priorities.
      14:54 So as part of that broader conversation
      14:57 about those priorities,
      14:58 and then once we see the finance department
      15:01 be more aware of those as we go in,
      15:04 and then as the conversation about those transfers
      15:09 and the revenues and those sorts of things,
      15:10 and that can be part of that conversation too.
      15:14 So this is all working out nicely.
      15:16 Thank you.
      15:17 And I guess in line with that,
      15:18 then I will make a motion to refer favorably ordinances.
      15:22 Well, first I'll do ordinance 2022, 2026
      15:26 to council for approval.
      15:31 Second.
      15:32 Motion to amend discussion.
      15:34 All those in favor say aye.
      15:36 Aye.
      15:37 So approved.
      15:38 I'll also make a motion to favorably refer
      15:40 to full council for approval ordinance 23, 2026.
      15:45 Motion to amend, second, any discussion?
      15:48 All those in favor say aye.
      15:49 Aye.
      15:50 Okay, now we're on the next batch
      15:54 of ordinances and resolutions,
      15:56 which is, I think they're together largely.
      16:00 Resolution 2026-21,
      16:04 resolution 2026-22,
      16:06 and resolution 2026-23.
      16:10 Can you walk us through those, Director Mahoney?
      16:14 Sure, so actually just, we can get rid of one.
      16:19 I just recently learned that the county
      16:22 will no longer be submitting advances to the city.
      16:30 Historically, they have-
      16:31 And what's with that?
      16:32 What's that?
      16:33 What is it with that?
      16:35 They're trying to cite some state law change.
      16:38 They just don't want to do it properly.
      16:40 So rather than, we used to get some
      16:44 of our property tax in January and February.
      16:49 So just maybe 60 days before we would have received
      16:53 it otherwise if we passed this ordinance.
      16:55 And then likewise, the August collection,
      16:59 we would get some in July and then the true up in August.
      17:03 And they just sent another, just before this meeting,
      17:07 because a couple of school districts were complaining
      17:10 that how are they gonna do their cashflow,
      17:13 but they don't look like they're going
      17:15 to change their minds about these advances.
      17:18 So we can probably strike, is it 2026-22?
      17:25 Councilman Bullock.
      17:27 Thanks, Director Mahoney.
      17:28 Just to interject here while we're at it,
      17:31 let's close the wrong window here.
      17:34 Is your inference from the county,
      17:39 is that an administrative change just to save time
      17:43 and efficiency or is that a cashflow bottleneck they face
      17:47 or is it an expense to the county to do it that way?
      17:50 Because when you give, you transfer money earlier,
      17:53 it's more favorable to the recipient, right?
      17:56 So I don't know if you've-
      17:58 Sure, they just sent us at 615.
      18:00 I'm mostly just curious myself.
      18:03 Yeah, sure.
      18:05 And I'd be happy to send this to council after.
      18:09 They're citing,
      18:14 well, that they,
      18:17 it says last year Cuyahoga County
      18:19 did not receive certified values until December 24th.
      18:22 So that's a quick turnaround for them
      18:24 to get then advances out to all the cities and schools.
      18:31 And then they cite five Ohio house bills
      18:35 enacted last year,
      18:38 expand authority for budget commissions
      18:39 to reduce unnecessary voter,
      18:42 I don't know how that affects advances.
      18:46 Oh, because the new laws require additional calculations,
      18:48 review steps and coordination,
      18:51 they'll add processing time.
      18:55 So, and then they did a survey
      18:58 where they found 15 counties provide advances
      19:01 only upon special request,
      19:03 nine counties limit special request advances
      19:06 solely to schools and townships.
      19:08 So I think they're saying with the added calculations
      19:12 because of the new house bills
      19:15 and that other counties don't give advances
      19:18 that they're going to stop giving advances.
      19:20 And is that permanent or just for this year?
      19:23 I'm assuming it'll be permanent.
      19:25 They don't say it though.
      19:27 I know.
      19:27 Yes, and in my other hat,
      19:31 working for an entity that drives 60 to 70% of its income
      19:34 from property taxes.
      19:37 This is the new way the county
      19:39 is gonna be doing things in a particular like,
      19:42 now Director Mahoney,
      19:43 is our cash flow in a state where that's okay for us?
      19:46 It'll be okay.
      19:48 For school districts and other special districts
      19:52 such as park districts can be a big deal
      19:56 to not have a lot of money early in the year.
      20:00 And so it's gonna be a cashflow issue.
      20:03 Talk to your county council people about this
      20:05 and see if this is maybe can be a one year thing
      20:07 and then it doesn't continue on.
      20:10 Cause I don't think there's any new law
      20:11 that requires them to do this.
      20:12 What they're saying is convenience basically.
      20:15 Right, that it takes them longer to calculate things.
      20:17 And so they can't get the calculations out
      20:21 and prepare the advances.
      20:23 Now what I will,
      20:25 in relation to this discussion, Director Mahoney,
      20:27 one thing I will ask you is,
      20:30 since it seems like there may be a deluge of complaints
      20:33 against the county from entities that get money this way,
      20:37 would it behoove us to pass this?
      20:39 I did think about that.
      20:40 I mean, it wouldn't hurt, I guess, to pass.
      20:43 And if they don't take it, they don't take it.
      20:46 But at least that's council saying,
      20:49 you have a point there
      20:50 that we still want the advances.
      20:54 So which resolution is that that deals with you?
      20:56 Is it 20?
      20:57 That is 22, I believe.
      20:59 22?
      21:05 Okay.
      21:07 Well, I hope they change their mind.
      21:10 For school districts and other special districts.
      21:13 Yeah.
      21:16 Well, that's helpful.
      21:17 Thank you, Director Mahoney.
      21:18 And then going through the resolutions,
      21:21 I guess we'll start with 26, 2021,
      21:25 the relevant chart being on page nine of the agenda.
      21:31 Is there any way we can get that up on the screen?
      21:36 Because this, I think, is the chart that really explains.
      21:45 Is there any way we can get the agenda?
      21:48 Because it's page nine of the agenda.
      21:59 And I just think it's important
      22:00 because we can go through each line item and explain
      22:07 what each one of them is and when they were voted.
      22:18 It'll be in finance committee agendas.
      22:20 It's our website as we,
      22:23 if you go to calendar, you can find it.
      22:25 That's probably the easiest way.
      22:30 You go to today, it'll be finance committee.
      22:31 You click on it.
      22:34 And then there's an agenda link.
      22:35 Go to the 20.
      22:48 It takes a minute to open up for some reason.
      22:51 And there's the agenda.
      22:52 Mr. Chair, this makes for great radio here.
      22:55 Yes, I know.
      22:56 I apologize.
      22:56 But I think this chart is that important.
      22:58 You click on it.
      22:59 It's the agenda.
      23:00 It's hyperlinked.
      23:01 There, there you go.
      23:01 And then page nine.
      23:03 I'm trying to fill the time.
      23:05 I'm bad at this.
      23:06 Try to be concise.
      23:10 One more down.
      23:11 Yes, here we go.
      23:12 Hey, Director Mahoney, can you go to page nine?
      23:14 Yes, here we go.
      23:15 One more down.
      23:16 Yes, here we go.
      23:17 Hey, Director Mahoney, can you walk us through this chart
      23:19 and explain it to us?
      23:21 Sure.
      23:21 So, and actually when we go to calculate this,
      23:28 we also do a rough estimate.
      23:32 And that's on the next two pages
      23:35 of revenue and expenses.
      23:39 What the purpose of this is to show
      23:41 that the county that we need,
      23:43 the property tax for the next, the following year.
      23:48 So we start with an estimate
      23:49 of how much we think we're going to end the year.
      23:54 And then generally increase the revenues
      23:59 between two and 4%.
      24:00 And we increase the expenditures between two and 4%.
      24:05 As a reminder, the labor contracts
      24:09 all have a 3% increase in them.
      24:11 So depending on the various expenses,
      24:17 like I said, it's between the two and 4%.
      24:20 Salaries being the most,
      24:21 of course that's the 3% increase.
      24:24 So we start with a general guess
      24:28 of revenue and expenditures.
      24:30 And then we also take what the county tells us for 26,
      24:36 which was just about 1.1480,000 and change.
      24:47 We have a 96.5 collection rate.
      24:51 So if we divide that 1.1480,000,
      24:56 that's how we get that 15,148,430
      25:01 for general fund for that first line.
      25:03 That represents, that was a levy passed in 1948
      25:09 by the voters to fund the general fund.
      25:16 And then we do likewise with the fire and police
      25:21 and sewer funds.
      25:22 Those were all levies passed by the voters,
      25:25 1958 and 59 respectively.
      25:28 And then the inside millage,
      25:30 we always have historically put it to debt service
      25:33 to pay our debt service.
      25:36 And as a reminder, that's 10 mills maximum
      25:40 between the city, the school,
      25:43 and the county and metro parks and all those.
      25:47 So that's where we start with those numbers.
      25:52 And then,
      25:54 I guess, what question is gonna answer?
      26:02 Yeah, and then for the benefit of people
      26:06 that may watch this video later,
      26:07 maybe watching it now, and also for my colleagues,
      26:12 if you'll remember the county has a three year cycle
      26:16 where they reevaluate properties,
      26:18 but then the sextennial, which is every six years,
      26:21 they do a really full reappraisal.
      26:24 So the mid-year three appraisal is a slight update,
      26:29 whereas the six year requires a more rigorous review
      26:32 of properties and values.
      26:35 We recently had that in calendar year 25,
      26:40 which then affected valuations for,
      26:47 I believe it's 26, 27, and 28.
      26:50 25, 26, and 27.
      26:52 25, 26, and 27.
      26:55 So this same, you know,
      26:58 roughly $30 million in millage in the 17.4
      27:03 will be the same, if not a little less,
      27:06 on the residence for tax year 2027,
      27:11 because we're still within that three year window.
      27:16 And the overall valuation of Lakewood
      27:19 is within that three year window.
      27:20 And the only thing that might have happened
      27:21 is actually people may have filed complaints
      27:23 against their valuation,
      27:25 and it may have slightly gone down.
      27:27 So when, for example,
      27:28 when I looked at this ordinance from last year,
      27:30 the estimated amount for general fund was like 15.5,
      27:35 as opposed to 15.14.
      27:39 What that tells you is that the valuation of Lakewood,
      27:43 because people got their update, didn't like it,
      27:47 filed a complaint with the county,
      27:48 maybe the valuation went down a little.
      27:52 But the next time, right,
      27:53 so after 27 and into 28,
      27:57 there will be a midterm update
      27:59 where the valuations might change.
      28:00 It might go up, it might go down.
      28:02 I suspect they would go up, but who knows.
      28:05 But it would be a slighter update than the six year one.
      28:08 So right now, what this effectively means
      28:11 for our residents and our property owners here
      28:14 is that roughly what they paid the city
      28:17 last year in taxes is the same
      28:19 they're gonna pay the city in taxes this year.
      28:21 That's what this authorizing resolution would do.
      28:27 Now, there is some discussion about going forward
      28:31 if there's a bigger uptick.
      28:35 Are there ways in which we can,
      28:37 you know, in three, in two, in a year,
      28:39 or in four years,
      28:41 is there a way in which we can think about
      28:43 being thoughtful about how these go up, right?
      28:46 You can do some sliding, right,
      28:48 where you only say in the first year
      28:50 of the new big update,
      28:53 say property values went up 50% or something crazy.
      28:56 We could talk about with the administration
      28:59 and the public about only taking a portion
      29:03 and then kind of ticking it up over the years
      29:05 so it's more of a graduated thing
      29:07 than it is a one year hit on the residents.
      29:09 Now, for purposes of this resolution,
      29:12 the more I've dug into it,
      29:14 it's essentially the same as last year.
      29:16 Your property tax bill is gonna look the same.
      29:21 You know, depending on what the schools do
      29:22 with their levy in May,
      29:23 but that would be in,
      29:27 it would go on account of your 2027 as well.
      29:29 So any, so I'm prepared to, you know,
      29:33 hear from my colleagues on this,
      29:34 but also as I dug into it,
      29:37 what it revealed to me was
      29:38 this is the same as it was last year.
      29:40 Any other comments or discussions?
      29:42 I assume we'll have some.
      29:48 Councilor Boyle.
      29:49 Thanks, Mr. Chair.
      29:50 So from a couple of quick questions.
      29:54 First, do you know the Director Mahoney,
      29:56 do you know the date of the inside millage?
      29:58 Is that even older than the 1948 first voted?
      30:03 I'm not, that was years and years ago,
      30:06 the state that was unvoted inside millage.
      30:11 I could find out.
      30:12 Yeah, I'd be curious.
      30:14 I suspect it is older than that,
      30:16 but it's possible it's more recent
      30:21 if some county procedure change, right?
      30:26 So in other words, we've held continuous
      30:29 in a good way, I think, for a long time.
      30:32 Now what's different is we've experienced
      30:35 high property value increases
      30:38 and we're hearing certainly that
      30:40 a certain number of Lakewood residents
      30:42 feel the affordability pressure
      30:45 of all those costs.
      30:47 So kind of it's on my mind to see
      30:49 if we can be strategic in our budgeting
      30:52 and understand could there be ways to save?
      30:57 Could there be ways to assess our fund balances
      31:02 and our ability to invest in capital
      31:06 in a way that it says
      31:09 that we're not just on autopilot at all times
      31:15 to collect everything that we are entitled to
      31:23 under these traditional levels.
      31:31 That's a big question.
      31:33 And I don't have a proposal today,
      31:36 but I guess I'd like to understand
      31:38 whether we're evaluating those questions
      31:42 as we prepare next year's budget.
      31:44 And this kind of dovetails in what we said,
      31:46 if we're tracking the actuals
      31:48 as we work through budget year 2026
      31:52 and we look at our actual incurred expenses,
      31:55 our actual collected revenues,
      31:59 if we're positioned to be in financial strength,
      32:05 then rather than only look at the traditional expenditures,
      32:10 can we make some room or financial capacity
      32:13 to help some residents who are under financial pressure?
      32:19 And this set of ordinances is the one time
      32:23 that we've got on the revenue side
      32:25 to shape what we do.
      32:30 The finance chair's points about the calendar
      32:35 for property tax is well taken
      32:39 because we're in the middle of the first three year period
      32:42 after a full assessment,
      32:44 and then we're gonna do, before we know it,
      32:48 a mid or three year estimate,
      32:51 which typically has a lesser impact,
      32:54 but still could well have an impact.
      32:57 So I'm not very concise today.
      33:00 Maybe, Director Mahoney,
      33:01 if I pull together some questions around the big picture,
      33:05 the macro, and we're just talking revenue side here today.
      33:10 Of course, any budget exercise
      33:13 has to compare revenues to expenditures.
      33:16 We're not getting expenditures right now,
      33:19 but we're not getting any expenditures right now.
      33:23 We're not getting expenditures right now,
      33:25 but as our revenue side's improved,
      33:34 can or should we evaluate our revenue side
      33:38 while we also manage the expenditure side?
      33:42 Another follow on question would be,
      33:44 is it the administration's view
      33:46 that all of our revenue increases
      33:48 have been consumed by inflation,
      33:51 or do we think that's only part ways true
      33:55 and in other areas, we're gaining ground
      33:58 in terms of financial strength and capacity?
      34:00 I have some educated inferences I can make
      34:03 from our budget work last year,
      34:08 but I wouldn't wanna assume
      34:10 that I'm fully reading things accurately.
      34:13 I know also we're trying to get ahead
      34:15 on the wastewater treatment plant work
      34:19 and the wastewater sewer system work,
      34:21 which is a big expense too.
      34:25 So that's not very concise at all,
      34:28 but do you understand the questions
      34:30 I'm beginning to try to get my hands around?
      34:34 Sure, so I can show you from my point of view
      34:37 is yes, the first year of a three-year increase,
      34:42 the city usually does have a little bit extra resources
      34:47 that was one of the end of the year transfers last year.
      34:52 We transferred, I can't remember now,
      34:56 somewhere around a million dollars,
      34:58 I believe to capital,
      35:00 so we can start to try and not debt out so much,
      35:06 because the city is paying a lot in interest expense
      35:10 because the historical trend of the city
      35:13 was to debt most of its capital.
      35:15 So we were able to consider for this year
      35:19 not taking some debt out for some projects and vehicles.
      35:24 The second year is kind of the mid of this three-year cycle
      35:29 and I would expect and hope that we will have,
      35:32 again, some reserves from this increase this year.
      35:36 But then the third year,
      35:38 and you think about it,
      35:39 yes, there was an increase in that first year,
      35:42 but our expenses keep going up every year.
      35:45 For three years, it's flat for the city.
      35:47 So obviously that revenue over expenditures
      35:53 is quite less in year three than it was in year one.
      35:57 And actually the expenditures are shown.
      36:00 Again, it's a very rough estimate,
      36:03 starting on page 10 of the agenda.
      36:10 And even with the estimates,
      36:13 you can see that in general fund
      36:16 and with this estimate in property tax,
      36:20 we are estimating that the general fund balance
      36:22 could go down quite significantly at the end of 27.
      36:28 And again, these are rough estimates.
      36:29 So the purpose of this is to prove to the county
      36:33 that we need these property taxes.
      36:37 I do know of one jurisdiction
      36:42 where the county treasurer questioned
      36:45 whether they needed the property taxes.
      36:48 So that's what the county does with this information.
      36:51 They go through and look and see
      36:54 if what we're asking in property tax revenue is justified.
      36:58 And I believe they all have no problems
      37:00 looking at this saying,
      37:01 yes, city of Lakewood needs these property taxes.
      37:05 Yes, and to your point, director Mahoney,
      37:08 some of the newly approved laws
      37:13 allow the budget commission to actually access it.
      37:15 If they, and there were some issues in Medina County
      37:18 where they proposed that and then went back
      37:20 and didn't do it,
      37:22 but they're probably gonna do it in the following year.
      37:24 So it's very concerning.
      37:27 Now, the one thing I will say just like
      37:29 from a high level is, you know,
      37:32 as we think about these things in the future,
      37:34 you know, we could say, okay, this year,
      37:36 there was a big jump.
      37:37 So we're gonna level off that increase.
      37:40 That levels it off for everyone,
      37:42 the richest among us and the poorest among us.
      37:45 There's also more creative ways.
      37:47 And so I guess what I'm saying is I'm prepared
      37:49 to pass this tonight favorably to council one vote.
      37:54 But as we think about the years to come,
      37:57 there's another way where you can, you know,
      37:59 work with the administration to think about,
      38:01 okay, dedicating certain portions
      38:03 of that additional revenue
      38:04 for seniors on a fixed income,
      38:09 or, you know, other classifications
      38:13 what would be easy administratively
      38:14 for the administration to say, okay,
      38:16 you get this exemption from the state.
      38:18 So we don't have to verify any more paperwork.
      38:21 You also get a double exemption
      38:22 from the city or something like that.
      38:23 That's something we can do creatively
      38:25 as we think about how to handle
      38:28 some of these issues going forward.
      38:30 That's just a suggestion.
      38:31 Any other thoughts from my colleagues
      38:35 or other people on this councilman Bixenstein?
      38:39 Thank you, chair Baker.
      38:40 And this might be in a pretty similar vein
      38:42 as councilperson Bullock,
      38:43 but, you know, as someone who's relatively new
      38:47 to this process, I'm learning about this terminology
      38:49 and particularly about inside millage.
      38:52 And I was just wondering,
      38:53 obviously a very important revenue funding stream,
      38:57 but also as councilperson Bullock brought up,
      39:00 people are feeling the pinch of property taxes.
      39:02 And I was just wondering,
      39:03 is there any precedent in Lakewood
      39:05 for not taking the full,
      39:09 the maximum, the 10 mil maximum for inside millage?
      39:14 There hasn't been no precedent before that I know of.
      39:18 And I did share with the chair,
      39:25 I had done this,
      39:26 and it might've been before you were on council,
      39:29 a little property tax overview,
      39:30 and I'd be happy to share it with everyone.
      39:32 You could pull it up, clerk.
      39:34 I think it's just in one of the other documents.
      39:52 And if you could just go to the second page, please.
      39:56 Yeah, just scroll down a little bit more.
      39:59 Oh, right there.
      40:00 So see, there's the inside millage
      40:02 where the county takes 1.45,
      40:06 the Metro Parks takes 0.05,
      40:08 the schools is 5.03,
      40:09 and the city is 3.47.
      40:11 If we gave up some of our inside millage,
      40:13 I'm not sure how it would work,
      40:14 but could the schools or the Metro Parks
      40:16 or the county take more of it?
      40:20 So I would hate to give it up
      40:23 that somebody else would just take it, you know?
      40:27 Director, I do think the question is broader though,
      40:29 and not just necessarily the inside millage,
      40:31 but also the other voted on charter stuff,
      40:37 which also is,
      40:38 it's kind of has superpowers like inside millage
      40:41 in the sense that it's not subject to House Bill 920,
      40:44 the rollbacks.
      40:44 So yes, council could vote
      40:48 to not take some of the millage,
      40:51 but then council also has to tell me
      40:54 what expense it's not to do, you know?
      40:56 So, you know, I think I did a rough estimate,
      41:00 like 0.5 mills to the general fund
      41:04 is just about a million dollars.
      41:07 So what would I then cut a million dollars worth?
      41:12 So that has to go hand in hand.
      41:14 Yes, Councilman Buller.
      41:15 Thank you, Director Mahoney.
      41:16 I appreciate the clarification.
      41:18 Sorry, sorry, councilman, were you done?
      41:22 Okay, so it's a good discussion.
      41:26 Of course, Director Mahoney,
      41:27 we don't just collect a dollar and it's out the door.
      41:30 So if we reduce revenues by a dollar,
      41:34 we're not instantly triggering a cut
      41:36 of an employee or an expenditure.
      41:38 We have various accounts and reserves right now.
      41:41 The goal is not to erode financial strength at all.
      41:47 But I think it's been a helpful discussion
      41:52 to at least begin to put on the table
      41:54 for the first time that I've been around,
      41:57 the idea of prioritizing affordability for residents.
      42:04 And my hunch is that the reason for that
      42:11 is that we haven't had this financial strength
      42:14 until the last six years or eight years,
      42:17 depending on how you measure.
      42:19 And that's really accelerated post COVID
      42:23 and the most recent property reevaluation.
      42:27 It was starting and prior to that,
      42:28 thanks to the good work of Lakewood Live
      42:30 and Lakewood Building Department
      42:32 and a bunch of people, right?
      42:33 Lakewood Public Works, Lakewood Police.
      42:36 The whole town has been really
      42:40 just investing all its energy and creativity
      42:42 into making this place sing
      42:45 and people are responding.
      42:45 So that's a recent thing.
      42:47 And we were recovering from a financial hole
      42:54 and that it was actually a multiple financial hole,
      42:56 some local, some state, some nationally economic.
      43:00 And then for a while we were
      43:02 at a financially holding water
      43:05 and trying to improve through staffing productivity
      43:10 and staffing efficiencies.
      43:12 And we had years where the three year contract
      43:15 was zero zero one or on that order.
      43:21 And the HR gain was that we were not reducing head count
      43:28 and we were maintaining benefits
      43:30 and those are all mattered too.
      43:32 But now we're in a different world.
      43:33 So I think that's where that comes from.
      43:36 And then of course we're hearing
      43:37 from our partner local government
      43:39 that they're in need of an increase.
      43:42 So that's at least on my mind.
      43:44 I'm not trying to speak for others.
      43:46 But to your point, Director Mahoney,
      43:49 like tread carefully because there's big impacts here.
      43:53 And I certainly don't claim to start out understanding
      43:58 all the complexities,
      44:00 which is why I'm just asking questions now.
      44:01 And I think I would appreciate if,
      44:04 I'd be happy to support motions
      44:06 to recommend adoption of these tax budget documents
      44:11 to council.
      44:12 What council's doing I think is authorizing
      44:14 the finance director to engage
      44:16 with the county fiscal officer.
      44:19 And the county is the one that makes final decisions
      44:22 and then traffic cops and collects
      44:25 and then disperses the actual tax dollars.
      44:28 So we have to talk to them using their process
      44:31 and that's appropriate.
      44:33 And thank you for bringing this to the table.
      44:36 But I do find it helpful given that I think
      44:39 in the last several years we're in new territory,
      44:44 at least in terms of the resident affordability
      44:46 side of things to begin thinking
      44:48 about potential solutions there.
      44:52 At least that's one person's, one's council.
      44:56 By the way, if anybody recalls last fall
      44:58 we had a visiting speaker or two
      45:01 from about state tax policy.
      45:04 And the short version is that the state really
      45:07 doesn't give local governments a lot of options
      45:10 for targeting this kind of relief.
      45:14 There could be better tools
      45:16 and some are advocating for that.
      45:18 Heavens only knows if we're gonna get any tax reform
      45:21 at the state level.
      45:22 But the idea would be if you have some residents
      45:25 in need, could the city be responsive
      45:27 to targeting those residents in need?
      45:30 Right now the answer's only very perfectly,
      45:33 although I think Councilman Baker has some ideas
      45:37 that are pretty creative on the city collects
      45:40 and has direct expenditure.
      45:43 Yeah, I don't often quote the former mayor
      45:46 of Cleveland, Frank Jackson,
      45:47 but he always said the calvary's not coming.
      45:51 So the state of Ohio is not gonna come and save us.
      45:53 We have to save ourselves.
      45:57 So to your point though,
      45:58 so I think my general thought is that we collect
      46:03 and then think in the budget process
      46:04 about creative ways to provide relief
      46:06 to people who need it in ways
      46:08 that wouldn't be overly administratively burdensome.
      46:11 Now that's gonna be part of the budget process.
      46:14 So let's think about that.
      46:16 Any other thoughts or comments?
      46:19 At this point, I will go ahead and make a motion
      46:24 to favorably refer resolution 2026-21
      46:29 to full council for approval.
      46:32 Motions are made and second.
      46:33 Any discussion?
      46:36 All those in favor say aye.
      46:37 Aye.
      46:38 I'll go ahead and make a motion
      46:41 to favorably refer resolution 22-2026
      46:45 to full council for approval.
      46:47 Second.
      46:48 Motion made and second.
      46:49 Any discussion?
      46:51 All those in favor say aye.
      46:52 Aye.
      46:53 And I will go ahead and make a motion
      46:55 to favorably refer resolution 23-2026
      47:01 to full council for approval.
      47:04 Motion made and second.
      47:05 Any discussion?
      47:08 All those in favor say aye.
      47:09 Aye.
      47:10 Aye.
      47:12 No further business come before the finance committee.
      47:16 We are hereby adjourned
      47:16 and I think we have 12 minutes
      47:17 of the full council meeting.
      47:18 Thank you.